Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
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Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
I didn't realize the Skycoach came with a cardstock deck (like the Falling Star does) when I ordered it, though I suppose I should have guessed. Anyway, I'm a crafy sort of guy, and I figured I could make a new replacement deck for it that will function better, look better, and be more durable over time.
I already had boxes of two different kinds of coffee stir sticks for crafting purposes, and the smaller of the two was nearly identical in size to the planks depicted on the printed cardstock deck that comes with the Skycoach.
The first thing I did was remove the cardstock deck. It is designed to be removeable, as both sides are printed (one with a bold 1" grid, and one without, though the plank lengths provide a subtle grid regardless). Then I traced the cardstock deck a few times to make some templates (I really only needed 2, but it never hurts to have extra).
I also traced the location of the underlying support structures of the plastic hull, as I would need for the bottom layer to clear that. I then started laying the bottom layer of my structural beams, measuring, cutting, and sanding the edges of the cuts as I went. I glued these bottom layer beams directly to the cut-out template with white PVA school glue.
Then I began measuring, cutting, and sanding the crossbeams, keeping in mind that my template was actually just a hair too large (the pen can only get so close when tracing the original deck).
If I had kept my whits about me, I would have placed the crossbeams a little more regularly (centering every half-inch), but I have a toddler that I was having to partly watch, so even though I'd had that idea already... it didn't quite happen that way until I had worked my way down almost all the way to the stern.
It is important to get those crossbeams centered on every inch-mark, because that's where you are going to meet up the ends of the planks. I ended up having to put in a few extra narrow joists along the way because of this failure, but it worked out in the end.
I affixed the crossbeams to the bottom beams with Aleene's Tacky Glue, which is a much better product for this purpose than white school glue. Once that had all dried firmly, I peeled the template off and test fitted the structure into the Skycoach.
I then started measuring, cutting, and sanding the thinner planks, again sanding the ends that I had cut, to make them true, smooth, and nice looking. I tested laying out my pattern, then did my best to lay the first two rows of planks with their shared edge making the center line of the deck; I think I did a good job of getting it as centered as I could.
Then it was a matter of affixing the planks with tacky glue, and sanding the curves into the leading edge with a power sander after every row or two, and test fitting it each time.
This is how far I got by the end of "day 1" (keeping in mind that this was sporadically worked on through the day when my son was napping, etc.)
The next morning I continued on, still slowly shaping and test fitting as I went.
I was looking like my planks were going to be off-center in the end, but it was really just that part of the under structure crossbeams weren't centered well (it also didn't help that my Skycoach hull is slightly warped and twisted... Any replacement deck you fabricate is going to be uniquely fit to any individual ship). There is a slight gap to the rear left edge of the deck, but that has to to with the twist in my Skycoach's assembly, and my desire to make sure the deck had loose enough tolerances that it would remain easy to insert and remove.
Here is the deck's "finished" assembly, leaving the gaps that are present in the cardstock deck. In the end my planks were pretty well centered as I had intended them to be.
I wanted to leave those gaps in the deck, so that I could still utilize the ladder and gangplank that came with the set.
However, I also wanted to make some inserts that would slide into the gaps of the crossbeams, and fill those gaps in the deck for when I didn't feel the need to use the boarding accoutrements.
I think they turned out pretty well.
I obviously still need to paint or stain the deck. I know that making actual wood appear to be wood when painted to look like wood is actually fairly difficult. As such, I think I may attempt to stain it instead. I'll try some stain on some scrap pieces of the same coffee stir sticks to see what colors and shades I can get. I'm hoping the wood grain will actually show up a bit, but maybe it won't. I'll post an update once I get that part done.
I already had boxes of two different kinds of coffee stir sticks for crafting purposes, and the smaller of the two was nearly identical in size to the planks depicted on the printed cardstock deck that comes with the Skycoach.
The first thing I did was remove the cardstock deck. It is designed to be removeable, as both sides are printed (one with a bold 1" grid, and one without, though the plank lengths provide a subtle grid regardless). Then I traced the cardstock deck a few times to make some templates (I really only needed 2, but it never hurts to have extra).
I also traced the location of the underlying support structures of the plastic hull, as I would need for the bottom layer to clear that. I then started laying the bottom layer of my structural beams, measuring, cutting, and sanding the edges of the cuts as I went. I glued these bottom layer beams directly to the cut-out template with white PVA school glue.
Then I began measuring, cutting, and sanding the crossbeams, keeping in mind that my template was actually just a hair too large (the pen can only get so close when tracing the original deck).
If I had kept my whits about me, I would have placed the crossbeams a little more regularly (centering every half-inch), but I have a toddler that I was having to partly watch, so even though I'd had that idea already... it didn't quite happen that way until I had worked my way down almost all the way to the stern.
It is important to get those crossbeams centered on every inch-mark, because that's where you are going to meet up the ends of the planks. I ended up having to put in a few extra narrow joists along the way because of this failure, but it worked out in the end.
I affixed the crossbeams to the bottom beams with Aleene's Tacky Glue, which is a much better product for this purpose than white school glue. Once that had all dried firmly, I peeled the template off and test fitted the structure into the Skycoach.
I then started measuring, cutting, and sanding the thinner planks, again sanding the ends that I had cut, to make them true, smooth, and nice looking. I tested laying out my pattern, then did my best to lay the first two rows of planks with their shared edge making the center line of the deck; I think I did a good job of getting it as centered as I could.
Then it was a matter of affixing the planks with tacky glue, and sanding the curves into the leading edge with a power sander after every row or two, and test fitting it each time.
This is how far I got by the end of "day 1" (keeping in mind that this was sporadically worked on through the day when my son was napping, etc.)
The next morning I continued on, still slowly shaping and test fitting as I went.
I was looking like my planks were going to be off-center in the end, but it was really just that part of the under structure crossbeams weren't centered well (it also didn't help that my Skycoach hull is slightly warped and twisted... Any replacement deck you fabricate is going to be uniquely fit to any individual ship). There is a slight gap to the rear left edge of the deck, but that has to to with the twist in my Skycoach's assembly, and my desire to make sure the deck had loose enough tolerances that it would remain easy to insert and remove.
Here is the deck's "finished" assembly, leaving the gaps that are present in the cardstock deck. In the end my planks were pretty well centered as I had intended them to be.
I wanted to leave those gaps in the deck, so that I could still utilize the ladder and gangplank that came with the set.
However, I also wanted to make some inserts that would slide into the gaps of the crossbeams, and fill those gaps in the deck for when I didn't feel the need to use the boarding accoutrements.
I think they turned out pretty well.
I obviously still need to paint or stain the deck. I know that making actual wood appear to be wood when painted to look like wood is actually fairly difficult. As such, I think I may attempt to stain it instead. I'll try some stain on some scrap pieces of the same coffee stir sticks to see what colors and shades I can get. I'm hoping the wood grain will actually show up a bit, but maybe it won't. I'll post an update once I get that part done.
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Re: Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
While I am fine with the cardboard deck, what you have done here is fantastic. I’m interested to see how it looks stained. If you find you have nothing to do stuck at home, I’m sure there’s at least a few folks on this site that would be interested in decks for their ships!
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Re: Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
Amazing work! Really nice job on even covering up the ladder slots.
For the wood grain: I've gleaned from terrain crafting videos that you can run a wire bristle brush over the stir-sticks to scratch a deeper "wood grain" into the wood. And/or use some type of pointy metal implement to create individual lines.
For the wood grain: I've gleaned from terrain crafting videos that you can run a wire bristle brush over the stir-sticks to scratch a deeper "wood grain" into the wood. And/or use some type of pointy metal implement to create individual lines.
Re: Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
That's a great walk through; thanks for sharing! Now there will be a run on popsicle sticks...
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Re: Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
Haha, thanks.
I haven’t gotten around to staining this, yet. I recently saw an RP Archive video on YouTube where he used Army Painter Soft Tone to color some balsa to look like a more typical tabletop standard for wood, and it looked really good, so I think I might plan to go that route, once I get some Army Painter washes in my arsenal.
I haven’t gotten around to staining this, yet. I recently saw an RP Archive video on YouTube where he used Army Painter Soft Tone to color some balsa to look like a more typical tabletop standard for wood, and it looked really good, so I think I might plan to go that route, once I get some Army Painter washes in my arsenal.
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This is a pretty great mod! If I ever get the Skycoach, I'll definitely be referencing this.
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Re: Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
Thanks! It’s still sitting upstairs, unstained. As a Covid long-hauler I haven’t had a lot of energy the past 10 months. I did get some army painter washes, and two coats of Soft Tone should look great on this thing, once I get around to ‘painting’ it. I’m slowly doing better, so the day will come eventually. But the pending arrival of Bones 5 might kick that can down the road a ways.
Re: Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
Glad to hear you're getting better, albeit slowly.ksbsnowowl wrote: ↑Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:39 pmThanks! It’s still sitting upstairs, unstained. As a Covid long-hauler I haven’t had a lot of energy the past 10 months. I did get some army painter washes, and two coats of Soft Tone should look great on this thing, once I get around to ‘painting’ it. I’m slowly doing better, so the day will come eventually. But the pending arrival of Bones 5 might kick that can down the road a ways.
Yeah, Bones V will definitely require some attention when it gets here! But make sure to post pics of the ship with the finished flooring when you eventually get to it! Would love to see that!
Re: Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
Hey – how did you end up going with this in the end, did you paint the deck? I am thinking I might try it too – it seems impossible to find the super thin stirrers though – the thinnest I can get is 6mm wide.ksbsnowowl wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:01 pm I didn't realize the Skycoach came with a cardstock deck (like the Falling Star does) when I ordered it, though I suppose I should have guessed. Anyway, I'm a crafy sort of guy, and I figured I could make a new replacement deck for it that will function better, look better, and be more durable over time.
I already had boxes of two different kinds of coffee stir sticks for crafting purposes, and the smaller of the two was nearly identical in size to the planks depicted on the printed cardstock deck that comes with the Skycoach.
The first thing I did was remove the cardstock deck. It is designed to be removeable, as both sides are printed (one with a bold 1" grid, and one without, though the plank lengths provide a subtle grid regardless). Then I traced the cardstock deck a few times to make some templates (I really only needed 2, but it never hurts to have extra).
I also traced the location of the underlying support structures of the plastic hull, as I would need for the bottom layer to clear that. I then started laying the bottom layer of my structural beams, measuring, cutting, and sanding the edges of the cuts as I went. I glued these bottom layer beams directly to the cut-out template with white PVA school glue.
Then I began measuring, cutting, and sanding the crossbeams, keeping in mind that my template was actually just a hair too large (the pen can only get so close when tracing the original deck).
If I had kept my whits about me, I would have placed the crossbeams a little more regularly (centering every half-inch), but I have a toddler that I was having to partly watch, so even though I'd had that idea already... it didn't quite happen that way until I had worked my way down almost all the way to the stern.
It is important to get those crossbeams centered on every inch-mark, because that's where you are going to meet up the ends of the planks. I ended up having to put in a few extra narrow joists along the way because of this failure, but it worked out in the end.
I affixed the crossbeams to the bottom beams with Aleene's Tacky Glue, which is a much better product for this purpose than white school glue. Once that had all dried firmly, I peeled the template off and test fitted the structure into the Skycoach.
I then started measuring, cutting, and sanding the thinner planks, again sanding the ends that I had cut, to make them true, smooth, and nice looking. I tested laying out my pattern, then did my best to lay the first two rows of planks with their shared edge making the center line of the deck; I think I did a good job of getting it as centered as I could.
Then it was a matter of affixing the planks with tacky glue, and sanding the curves into the leading edge with a power sander after every row or two, and test fitting it each time.
This is how far I got by the end of "day 1" (keeping in mind that this was sporadically worked on through the day when my son was napping, etc.)
The next morning I continued on, still slowly shaping and test fitting as I went.
I was looking like my planks were going to be off-center in the end, but it was really just that part of the under structure crossbeams weren't centered well (it also didn't help that my Skycoach hull is slightly warped and twisted... Any replacement deck you fabricate is going to be uniquely fit to any individual ship). There is a slight gap to the rear left edge of the deck, but that has to to with the twist in my Skycoach's assembly, and my desire to make sure the deck had loose enough tolerances that it would remain easy to insert and remove.
Here is the deck's "finished" assembly, leaving the gaps that are present in the cardstock deck. In the end my planks were pretty well centered as I had intended them to be.
I wanted to leave those gaps in the deck, so that I could still utilize the ladder and gangplank that came with the set.
However, I also wanted to make some inserts that would slide into the gaps of the crossbeams, and fill those gaps in the deck for when I didn't feel the need to use the boarding accoutrements.
I think they turned out pretty well.
I obviously still need to paint or stain the deck. I know that making actual wood appear to be wood when painted to look like wood is actually fairly difficult. As such, I think I may attempt to stain it instead. I'll try some stain on some scrap pieces of the same coffee stir sticks to see what colors and shades I can get. I'm hoping the wood grain will actually show up a bit, but maybe it won't. I'll post an update once I get that part done.
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Re: Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
Sadly, I’ve not been able to progress with this project due to Covid-related health issues that have plagued me since mid-2020.
I did get an idea for staining the wooden sticks from a YouTube video, that would be much easier than using actual wood stain. Army Painter Strong Tone wash and Soft Tone wash both do a nice job, just with differences in saturated hue. I forget which provides which, but one is a more desaturated brown than the other. I did some tests on a stir stick; IIRC, I had settled on two coats of soft tone? But I just never had a chance to act on it. I’m sure I’ll get around to it someday, but it’s not a priority in my life at the moment.
These are the exact thing I ordered for the decking planks. Don’t know your location and what availability concerns that may impart, but it might give you a starting place to find something similar?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001FVPA ... asin_title
I did get an idea for staining the wooden sticks from a YouTube video, that would be much easier than using actual wood stain. Army Painter Strong Tone wash and Soft Tone wash both do a nice job, just with differences in saturated hue. I forget which provides which, but one is a more desaturated brown than the other. I did some tests on a stir stick; IIRC, I had settled on two coats of soft tone? But I just never had a chance to act on it. I’m sure I’ll get around to it someday, but it’s not a priority in my life at the moment.
These are the exact thing I ordered for the decking planks. Don’t know your location and what availability concerns that may impart, but it might give you a starting place to find something similar?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B001FVPA ... asin_title
Re: Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
Oh that sucks, I’m sorry to hear that! I’ve heard of long Covid symptoms but luckily never knew anyone who has been affected. I hope it gets better for you soon.
And those ship to me – amazing thank you! I’m going to put in an order and thanks for the advice on the soft tone, I’ll give it a go!
And those ship to me – amazing thank you! I’m going to put in an order and thanks for the advice on the soft tone, I’ll give it a go!
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Re: Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
For future reference, someone has made a 3D STL for the deck, if you want something quick. I can find the link if you need. It's either MiniFactory or Thingiverse, search for Skycoach.
Edit:
Here it is.
https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d ... ach-205572
Edit:
Here it is.
https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d ... ach-205572
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Re: Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
Thank you so much for sharing! I actually have already gotten that printed by my local printer a few months ago, however the resin seemed to warp a little – I have tried heating it a bit to reshape it. I also want the thinner planks if that makes sense, to match the hull? But I think I’m going to cut out the door from the printed version and add it in to the wood one, it’s great with the little handle.MyriadTabletop wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2024 12:15 am For future reference, someone has made a 3D STL for the deck, if you want something quick. I can find the link if you need. It's either MiniFactory or Thingiverse, search for Skycoach.
Edit:
Here it is.
https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d ... ach-205572
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Re: Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
Ugh, resin printing can be the worst. For a technology that prides itself on incredible detail, it can be horribly unreliable at dimensional accuracy.
I FDM printed mine. Goooood enough lol.
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Re: Making a new (non-cardboard) deck for the Skycoach
Oh that’s awesome! I’ve never tried FDM printing?
Here’s a pic of mine – luckily it’s still holding the adjusted shape pretty well, it essentially bowed in the middle in transit from the printer… you can see it’s not quite flush at the front end.
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