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I really like the Grung miniatures from Dungeon of the Mad Mage, but wanted a bit more variety seeing as how the caste system of Grung is much broader than just green and yellow grung (and very flat looking color at that). So they are all individually painted as tree frogs (red eyes) or poison dart frogs (black eyes). I also decided that the Grung in my world don't use bows and arrows, but being a rain forest species with an inherent poison secretion a blowgun and darts would be much more thematic for hunting and capturing prey.

Blow darts have the advantage of being light weight and a low bulk ammo. Also the blowgun can be used from hiding and usable from within deep cover. Also if you know anything about the physics of bows, small creatures with low strength would find little benefit in using bows and arrows. Blowgun darts also have the benefit of doing little damage or causing little blood loss, so if capturing something that is going to be eaten much later, the hunter is risking spoilage or infection.

This is good idea if you want to capture the players for some role playing or story line opportunity. Do you want them to be captured so they have to use their guile (persuasion, intimidation, diplomacy) or use their James Bond like abilities and stealth once they've been taken into camp. Perhaps the goal is to put players in a particular location, introduce and rescue an important NPC (fellow humanoid captive...Or you want to introduce an animal companion to a particular player. "After rescuing the jaguar, it seems to continue to follow you at a distance as you retreat into the jungle".), or initiate some story hook where the chieftain imparts some important information needed by the party amidst his explanation of how they are going to be the main dish in their forthcoming feast.

A home brew for the Grung blow darts is that they don't do any damage. So I don't spend time rolling for damage, just to hit. And characters in full plate armor are never affected except on a natural 20 hit (hit exposed area of flesh).

By 5e rules, the poison the grung excrete does not need to reach the blood stream as it is described as grapple or contact is all that is needed for the player to make a save. And it can be applied to weapons. no mentionn of breaking skin or ingestion is stated. But perhaps the poison they excrete on contact has a different status effect than when it's introduced to the cardio vascular system.

Furthermore, if you as the DM decide to make it more entertaining, the grung's poison doesn't have to do damage either, but may simply be a status effect. Examples: sleep, paralyzation, confusion, hallucination inducing, -to hit/dex save, exhaustion, et.al.
I even had the idea that different races might be affected differently by the poison. Perhaps the Grung themselves aren't even aware of the biological difference that the poison has on different species. Perhaps the capybaras, jaguars and snakes they normally hunt, are knocked unconscious when they fail a save, but they've never seen a human, dwarf or elf and the resultant affect may be unique or unexpected.
There's really no limit to the status effects you can choose to afflict your players with to take them captive. Imagine the party's dwarf failing a save after being hit by a dozen darts each round and is now feeling amorous affection for trees and is now acting inebriated and lovingly drunk, dropped his weapon and now swaying to and fro, arm wrapped around a near by sapling and singing a song. Meanwhile the human thief is slumped in her horses saddle horn snoring loudly, and the elven wizard is scratching at his skin from the rash he's developed from the poison.

Perhaps the idea of players rolling a million 20-sideds as saves each round and you just want to move the story along. You can just assume that if the players don't flee or fireball blast the grung, that they only have a certain number of turns before players are overwhelmed by the flurry of darts poisoning them. (say 5 turns for example).
But otherwise, I rule that if a player is hit by a dart, they will suffer a -1 penalty on each successive save they make, starting at DC of 10. So a character that is hit by 4 darts, has to make 4 saves, each with subsequently more difficult DC as the poison starts to build up in their system (DC 10 -0 on first hit, then -1 on the second. then -2 on the third etc.) This increasing difficulty in making the DC roll ensures that over time the players will eventually fail, and reflects the poison building up or taking time to take affect on their heroic constitutions.

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those look awesome .. I have not gotten any Grungs yet as i find the price a bit much for a small. But I might grab some unpainted and get at them. Basically to me the Grungs are the new Grippi.
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Those grung look pretty cool! :D
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Amazing work! Can you give some details on the conversion work? How'd you make the shell shields and weapons?

I'm totally gonna steal, errr, I mean, be inspired by, some of these ideas!
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The shield was from a Reaper miniature turtle called a "Spikeshell Warrior". I had a few shields and weapons I'd trimmed off of reaper minis I didn't ever plan on using. And that shell looked to be a p erfect size for a tiny frog creature.
I was originally planning on using it as a buckler for a lizardman mini. And that never happened.

The blowguns are just plastic wire from some wreath material I had sitting near by from the craft store. But I would have used 50 lb. fishing line if that hadn't just been sitting right there. it's very rigid in short lengths, and yet forgiving if bent. I used to use craft or picture hanging wire depending how thick I wanted something to be (like spears or polearm shafts), but it's difficult to cut and not very forgiving.

Cutting off the bows and quivers wasn't difficult using a sharp exacto blade. Areas that I inadvertently gouged, were filled in with wood glue prior to painting. The hands are big on the grung, and I used the tip of the sharp exacto to drill a hole through and used a rat-tail file to open it up enough for the plastic rod. A pin vice with tiny drill bits would work for this as well, but I misplaced mine years ago and have been too lazy to buy a replacement.

Our D&D group is doing Lost Mines of Phandelver, and my sorcerer got the Glass staff object, and I used the fishing-line trick to represent the mini's new staff. This warlock mini had a knotted rod or cudgel in his right hand originally.
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Thanks for the tips! I'll have to keep an eye out for some fishing line or other similar filament, that seems like a useful tool to have in the toolbox. And I have some spikeshell warriors, so I might try to make molds of their shields, because I quite like the look!
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I got a relatively big (150 yard) spool of 50 lb. clear from Walmart for $1.99 omniflex brand. They had stacks of them on the shelves. All of the weights appeared to be $1.99, but the 50 looked to be the largest/best dimension for making staves/poles. As you can see from the pic, it's still on the thin side.

Trim off about 3 or 4 inches, and you'll have a curved piece of fishing-line. Dip as much of that as you need for the pole you want to make in near boiling water and it will straighten itself out. The same way you do bent plastic mini swords and such. I usually put a cup or bowl of water in the microwave for 2 mins. (3 mins will be boiling hot). Plenty hot to relax the plastic but not so hot to make a cup of tea or coffee.
Then trim it off the extra bent end that you were holding on to it or as much as you need. That warlock miniature is holding a 1" piece of fishing line (5' scale feet?)
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firespitter wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:58 pm I got a relatively big (150 yard) spool of 50 lb. clear from Walmart for $1.99 omniflex brand. They had stacks of them on the shelves. All of the weights appeared to be $1.99, but the 50 looked to be the largest/best dimension for making staves/poles. As you can see from the pic, it's still on the thin side.

Trim off about 3 or 4 inches, and you'll have a curved piece of fishing-line. Dip as much of that as you need for the pole you want to make in near boiling water and it will straighten itself out. The same way you do bent plastic mini swords and such. I usually put a cup or bowl of water in the microwave for 2 mins. (3 mins will be boiling hot). Plenty hot to relax the plastic but not so hot to make a cup of tea or coffee.
Then trim it off the extra bent end that you were holding on to it or as much as you need. That warlock miniature is holding a 1" piece of fishing line (5' scale feet?)

Brilliant, thanks! I can see on the website that they do indeed have that fishing line at that price at my local Walmart, so I'll be sure to pick some up next time I'm there.
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These Grung re-paints look outstanding.
Fantastic work!
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Cannot say enough good things about the grung. Great work!
The sorcerer is simply awesome as well. Everything about it, just wow!
Thanks for sharing these, taking time to explain methods etc.
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That cork mat for dirt roads and grass is the work of a genius :O.
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First off - really creative Grung. I especially like the multicolored ones. Now all we need are stats for each of them ;-)

On a different note, that fishing line staff is a great tip; might also be good for replacing ultra bendy spears...
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After noticing the swords on my Fire Giants (#027 Storm King's Thunder) I made a point of boiling water and straightening them out. I then laid the minis down in the box they were in.
2 days later I pulled them to see the floppy swords syndrome is acute. Not putting up with this, I decided to remove the sword and remake the haft out of a more rigid material. Some bamboo skewers I had in the kitchen fit the bill perfectly.

-Snipped off the swords haft as close as I could to the hand with flush-cuts.
-Dremel'd out the remnants of the sword haft from within the gripped hand with a small round burring bit.
-Drilled into the sword (the blades are quite thick) about 1/4" deep so the skewer can be inserted and glued in place.
-The original sword had no pommel. And all swords need a counter weight, especially when the sword is this massive and on fire. So I made a geometric shape (cube) out of cardboard and glue. And I had some tiny (3mm) diamonds from the craft store, which I figured would make a good accent for a baron's sword.
-When I glued the sword back in place, I had his hand choked-up higher on the haft. The bamboo haft is rigid enough to handle the weight now, but the grip in the middle looked strange.

The other fire giant I have, I am leaving the hand empty for now, as it doesn't look bad.

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Your flumph game is weak without LEDs.
The intensity of the LED over saturates. It's not nearly as bad when viewed by the naked eye. Even with the brightest strobing peaks, the mouth and eyes are still visible. The camera on my mobile just gets very washed out with the disparity in contrast.

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i like it!
Disclamer: I prefer black bases, and as such have painted many clear bases black. Pictures of my collection will reflect this, varying from the original way the mini was produced.
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